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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Aug 31, 2011 1:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Talking of artwork

For those still waiting for their copies of the Euro '72 megga-box-set (and that includes me), here's a taster of the artwork you can expect (CD front covers):

http://shnflac.net/details.php?id=9ae152ba67a2e9d312bed7170dd2a2d22f658956

as in Lossless Legs

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 31, 2011 2:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

I got mine yesterday and if there is one disappointing aspect to the collection it is that there is no metadata on the discs. Not sure why the dead never put any on them. So if you intend to rip them to a drive you get ready to do some typing. The collection is not in an internet database yet so all the discs and all the tracks come up with no titles. I ripped and annotated 7 shows last night but had not come up with a solution for the artwork yet. I was hoping dead.net would provide one, but this link should do the trick. Thanks.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Aug 31, 2011 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

typing???

copy/paste thing will get you there 10 times faster

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 31, 2011 6:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

you're telling me the tracks don't show up on like itunes or what have you?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 31, 2011 6:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

correct. None of the dead releases have metadata so the only way they show up in iTunes (or whatever you have) is because iTunes etc., connect to a database that has the info. Currently there are no databases that have the info. Although of the 20 or so discs i ripped last night, one actually did have info in a database which was kind of weird. I suspect that these will be entered into some database at some time. This still doesn't solve the problem of a lack of high res artwork. Its as if Rhino/GDP are oblivious to how most people listen to music these days.

This is in contrast to the Garcia Family releases you can purchases from dead.net. These all come with metadata so even if you are playing the CDs in your car, if you CD player has the capability of reading that data, it will tell you the name of the CD and the name of the track.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 31, 2011 8:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

And yet how strangely comforting it is to know that some things in life stay reliably the same -- in this case, the grand tradition of GD dysfunction. "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose." (How's that for a European-ish motto?)

Do ALL GD releases really have no metadata? So the only reason my DPs et al have song tracks on iTunes is that iTunes has somehow accessed the info from somewhere else?




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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 31, 2011 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

iTunes does access data from an online database. It used to be the CDDB but i think they are using another one. If you put the CD into a computer that is not connected to the internet it might not have track names. The only caveat is that i don't think i purchased any CDs directly from dead.net before 2005 so maybe they used to carry the metadata.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Aug 31, 2011 7:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

No offense, please, but I'm writing this in a hurry in between ripping the discs ...

You need a better ripping program ... for one thing, unless I'm mistaken - and I haven't ripped on itunes in a long time - itunes is converting those files to the AAC format that only itunes can use, and not to a high quality mp3.

There's a great little program called dbpoweramp that will convert just about any format to just about any other format. It used to be free; now I think you can buy a lifetime license for about $10.

I'm up to concert #5, so far about 15 discs, and every single one of them has had the info come up from their database. Plus, you can rip to the highest imaginable mp3 quality. itunes can use them, by converting the mp3's to AAC's, but you can keep them in a format that can be played on everything else, too.

Peace and enjoy the music!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 31, 2011 7:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

You can rip in iTunes to AAC, MP3 (CBR or VBR up to 320 kbps), ALAC, AIFF and even WAV. You need to set the import settings under preferences to rip to whatever you want. The only thing iTunes won't let you use is FLAC and SHN. I am ripping to ALAC onto a portable 1 TB WD passport drive. As a Mac user I prefer xACT for converting FLAC and SHN files for use in iTunes.

I started ripping more shows tonight and for 4-24-72 3/4 discs were in the database. However be careful as there are typos in several of the tracks (Chna Cat Sunflower and Black=Throated Wind are examples).

Update: 4-26-72 has different annotation from the db for disc 1 and disc 2. I have run into this problem with the databases before. Very inconsistent. I wish Rhino would just include the metadata.

This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2011-09-01 02:23:25

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Aug 31, 2011 8:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

Yeah, you are right about the typos, the same thing applies in dbpoweramp - there's some editing involved.

Anyway, all in all, these are some high-class problems ...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 31, 2011 8:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

Are you suggesting every silver lining has a touch of grey?

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Aug 31, 2011 9:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

Funny thing, I hit the data wall with dbpoweramp in the middle of set #7.

Somebody, somewhere, is diligently entering all of this info, so I'm just going to relax and spend the next few days with the first few shows. Figure by the time I come back to it the rest will be done. Whoever you are, thank you sincerely.

And apologies to you if my first post above was condescending - you obviously know a lot more about this stuff than I do, and there is likewise obviously a lot I don't know about itunes. I've always been careful to manage my own music separate from it, but that may be a hangover from the very early days when the program was a lot more proprietary.

Peace out.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 31, 2011 9:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

Not at all, I thought you were trying to be helpful. I was trying to do the same.

I am flying to London tomorrow night so i am trying to get through as much as possible to take on the long flights. I ripped 7 shows yesterday and 6 tonight so that gets me through Bickershaw. Figured i could not go to England without that one.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 31, 2011 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

Ditto that disappointment... curious about one thing though - did you title the album "Europe 72 Complete", or will that just lead to hundreds of tracks in the same album? Do we have to break up the compilation into separate albums - "Wembley, 1972-04-07" for example?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 31, 2011 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

I did not put the Europe complete stuff in. I want to keep them in chronological order so this is an example of how i label the CDs:

72-04-07 - Wembley - London, England

I do put the disc numbers in the info as well so the discs stay in the correct order and this also keeps the 3-4 discs together as a compilation which makes for easier burning of CDs etc. You could do the same by numbering all the tracks from the beginning to end of the show, however since they rip in with track numbers as for each disc i think it is easier to keep them labeled as discs.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Aug 31, 2011 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

I've been pondering this and think I'll wait until a month or two for all of the tracks/shows to show up in the databases before ripping my set..

One of the great things that I wish would have considered is to include a one-time-only redeemable code to download the whole set, much like what was done for Neil Young Archives vol. 1. A much grander scale, I realize, but I imagine it could be done.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 31, 2011 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Talking of artwork

I purchased the Railroad Earth set a few years ago which was also about 20 shows and they had the one time only download of mp3s and then sent FLAC files on DVDs. That was fine for me.

I listen too much in my car, work and on airplanes to wait to rip. I thought about that as well and then decided that i didn't really want to take the CDs out of my house if i didn't have to. I bet they will be in the database soon.